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Post by Minnesota Rockies (Henry) on Aug 10, 2016 9:59:39 GMT -5
Justin Smoak, TOR; 2016: 0.705M; 2017: 0.595M
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 12:40:51 GMT -5
Claim
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Post by St. Louis Orioles (Drew) on Aug 10, 2016 13:11:00 GMT -5
Claim
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 14:35:00 GMT -5
Wtf. That's twice!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 14:35:51 GMT -5
Nvm. I have priority. Phew
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Post by Chicago Cub Sox (Scott) on Aug 10, 2016 16:53:59 GMT -5
Not so fast. The rule says: An outrighted player will be on waivers for 48 hours from the time of the post. The waiver claim priority would be based on the current worst to first Roto standings at the time...
We need to wait 48 hours from the time of the outright post. That was this morning at 10:59am EST. That will be Friday morning 10:59am EST. This is the rule because Kansas City and New York could also claim Smoak within the 48 hours. We cannot make any decision yet and we have to see where the standings are as of Friday morning.
Make sense?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 17:04:54 GMT -5
No that doesn't make sense. It should be at the time of the claim, just like in MLB.
"The waiver claim priority would be based on the current worst to first Roto standings at the time, which goes along with MLB's irrevocable waivers system"
One would assume based on how the rules are written, that the league follows the same rules MLB does. In the MLB, teams record are taken into account at the time the player was placed on waivers. Therefore, Smoak was placed on waiver this AM when St. Louis was ahead of Boston in the standings. Boston should have priority to the player up until this point.
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Post by Chicago Cub Sox (Scott) on Aug 10, 2016 21:53:27 GMT -5
It can't be at the time of the claim. There are other teams still within the 48 hour window that have the opportunity to submit a claim. It's not first-come, first-serve.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 23:02:32 GMT -5
Time player was placed on waivers is what I meant.....obviously.....that's how the MLB does it. Your rules say "goes along with MLB's waivers system"...so it should be consistent. Right?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 23:03:34 GMT -5
"The waiver claim priority would be based on the current worst to first Roto standings at the time, which goes along with MLB's irrevocable waivers system"....that's what I said
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Post by Minnesota Rockies (Henry) on Aug 11, 2016 1:31:35 GMT -5
Yeah I've also wondered whether the time for the standings was the time the player was put on waivers or the end of the 48h period. It'll be good to have this resolved! I agree that the former makes sense and is comparable to the bigs. Only concern is whether people will always be able to remember what the standings were 48h previously, but there are enough eyes we should be OK I think (is there a function in Fantrax to check historic standings?)
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Post by Texas Giants (Alex) on Aug 11, 2016 8:01:40 GMT -5
I think the end of the period makes more sense because that's when you actually get the player, and yes then you always have the argument of what were the standing 2 days ago.
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Post by Chicago Cub Sox (Scott) on Aug 11, 2016 9:11:30 GMT -5
Sorry guys, this is a pain in the ass and it shouldn't be. If I put the line "goes along with MLB's system" and that has to do with time player was placed on waivers, to me that doesn't make sense. Then we have a 48 hour period in which any team can put in a claim - BUT we have to then go back to the day he was placed on waivers. I agree with Alex. It should be the end of the 48 hour period. In this case it would be tomorrow morning (Friday 8/12) and we see who has waiver priority based on standings. Am I wrong?
Fantrax does give the option in Standings to sort timeframe By Date. If I use 8/9 then it shows: 11 78.5 St. Louis Orioles 12 78 Boston Padres This would be the standings at the end of Tuesday 8/9, so in essence if the claim was placed Tuesday morning then you're telling me we have to look at the standings through Mon 8/8, right?
11 78.5 Boston Padres 12 77 St. Louis Orioles
How about this? If we use 8/10 it shows: 11 77.5 St. Louis Orioles 11 77.5 Boston Padres
Tell me what you want to do. I want to clarify this rule in the Constitution AND wait until 48 hours is up and see who gets him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 9:39:41 GMT -5
Even if we wait 48 hours, that presents an issue too. That would mean both claiming teams AND a league commissioner would have to be online at the exact time of release, 48 hours later. The standings fluctuate throughout the day and waiver priority could change within minutes. It makes most sense to me for it to be from the time the player was placed on waivers. It's consistent with the MLB and the releasing team can easily post the order of standings when he drops a player.
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Post by Chicago Cub Sox (Scott) on Aug 11, 2016 12:07:13 GMT -5
That does make sense I guess. Standings at time of outright. BUT, I am not going to require every owner to post current standings in every outright post. It's not easily done all the time, especially if you're on a mobile device. More often than not if an outrighted player is claimed by more than one team they won't be so close in total Roto points as Boston and St. Louis are in this case.
In this case the standings as of Tues 8/9 when Smoak was outrighted are the standings through Mon 8/8. Boston was ahead of St. Louis at the time of this move which means St. Louis would have waiver priority based on that time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 12:34:57 GMT -5
That's not true as I explained yesterday. He was ahead of me the day we both claimed him. There was 0 points change for both of us at the time we claimed. Meaning he had been ahead of me the entire day.
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Post by Chicago Cub Sox (Scott) on Aug 13, 2016 14:54:10 GMT -5
This will definitely be something we as a league will clarify in the offseason. Waiver priority at the time of the outright or after 48 hours? Tripp actually suggested maybe it's at the end of 2 full days later after all games have been played so the standings aren't fluctuating as they do throughout a day.
Either way, this one is too close to call. Who wants Smoak so I can take care of getting this processed?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 15:02:07 GMT -5
In honor of my suggestion, under those rules, drew gets smoak. So for consistency purposes, drew takes him
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