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Post by Los Angeles Reds (Sam) on Aug 5, 2016 9:22:27 GMT -5
Just to be clear as I did not see it in the constitution, is there not an MLB style draft pick compensation for loss of a player to free agency (restricted or other)?
Thanks
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Post by Texas Giants (Alex) on Aug 5, 2016 9:26:16 GMT -5
Where can I find the draft board for 2017 so that I may know what picks I and others have to work with in trade negotiations? I see from my predecessor's notes that there were some trades of picks. Commish agreed such a list would be a good idea, I think he's still working on it though.
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Post by Chicago Cub Sox (Scott) on Aug 5, 2016 23:24:08 GMT -5
Sorry guys. I will get a folder and thread of 2017 Minor League draft rounds posted soon. It will be a 12 round draft each year, although you can only draft players based on th number of open Minors spots you have out of 60 (unless we as a league vote to expand MiLB rosters).
Sam, there is no draft pick compensation in our league rules for players lost to free agency. Again, maybe something we consider, at least for RFAs that sign with another team.
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Post by Los Angeles Reds (Sam) on Aug 6, 2016 7:48:02 GMT -5
Sorry guys. I will get a folder and thread of 2017 Minor League draft rounds posted soon. It will be a 12 round draft each year, although you can only draft players based on th number of open Minors spots you have out of 60 (unless we as a league vote to expand MiLB rosters). Sam, there is no draft pick compensation in our league rules for players lost to free agency. Again, maybe something we consider, at least for RFAs that sign with another team. Thanks Commish. Was also hoping this would show what picks were acquired or lost in trades so we were aware of all trade assets we had to work with. CIAO da
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Post by Oakland Nationals (Brendan) on Aug 6, 2016 17:49:47 GMT -5
I know we talked about allowing for buyouts of future cap hit under the current year's cap, but did we ever add that to the rules? Is that allowable?
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Post by Chicago Cub Sox (Scott) on Aug 7, 2016 8:36:08 GMT -5
Not at all Brendan. It's only been brought up in discussion. That would be a MAJOR rule change and we do not allowing trading of any $$ currently. We can trade players and their existing slaries/contract and draft picks, but we do not allow trading of buyouts, future cap hits, etc. That would need to be voted on by the league. There are a few items I'd like to discuss and possibly vote on in the offseason. I'm not even sure that's one of them. It has not even come up for discussion in DD1 or DD2.
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Post by Oakland Nationals (Brendan) on Aug 7, 2016 10:09:27 GMT -5
I'm not talking about trading cap. I'm talking about accelerating cap penaltiesfrom future years.
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Post by Chicago Cub Sox (Scott) on Aug 7, 2016 13:05:31 GMT -5
In my eyes it's still the same thing. It's moving money, whether it's current salary or future years' cap penalties. Would need a further discussion and offseason vote.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 13:11:23 GMT -5
Brendan, do you mean buying out one's own money? For instance, a team has $20M on 2016 cap with $13M in 2017 penalties. Team buys out 2017 penalties today and now has $7M left in cap space for 2016 and $0 in future penalties. I think that's what you mean? That'd be interesting
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Post by Oakland Nationals (Brendan) on Aug 7, 2016 13:14:58 GMT -5
That's what I'm talking about. Yes.
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Post by Oakland Nationals (Brendan) on Aug 7, 2016 13:18:27 GMT -5
Only mean it to be declared with the dr op. For instance, I cut a guy that has $10m in cap penalties this year and $5m next year. I declare a buyout and take all $15m into this year's cap.
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Post by Chicago Cub Sox (Scott) on Aug 7, 2016 14:40:34 GMT -5
I understand now. Thanks for clarifying.
I just don't know that that should be allowed. It's some in 16 and some in 17.
If I sign a guy for 4 years but drop him in Year 2, I should be on the hook for the 25% of years 3 and 4 IN years 3 and 4, not allowed to group those penalties all into the current year when I drop him.
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Post by Los Angeles Reds (Sam) on Aug 27, 2016 10:13:06 GMT -5
For my own clarification, is it true there is no minimum tenure required on a team, for player to be considered an RFA? Whereas MLB requires one full season to be eligible for a qualifying offer, there is no such requrement in DD to be eligible to be RFA'd.
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Post by St. Louis Orioles (Drew) on Aug 27, 2016 10:21:28 GMT -5
I am going to propose a rule change to make this the case.
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Post by Chicago Cub Sox (Scott) on Aug 27, 2016 13:07:25 GMT -5
There is no such rule at this time. If I sign a player right now for 1 year (2016), I'm able to RFA him this coming offseason. Of course he would hit free agency and there's no guarantee I can even match the offer.
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Post by Philadelphia Astros (Paul) on Jan 8, 2018 14:04:33 GMT -5
We can trade free agents away after their last contract year?
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Post by Texas Giants (Alex) on Jan 8, 2018 14:09:26 GMT -5
rulebook is a bit ambiguous on this point. In my opinion it could be read either way:
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Post by Philadelphia Astros (Paul) on Jan 8, 2018 14:14:18 GMT -5
That means a player has to be Franchise Tag already and then traded. And if not then every free agent can allegedly be a potential FT
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Post by St. Louis Orioles (Drew) on Jan 8, 2018 14:14:25 GMT -5
The interpretation that has historically been used in DD1 and DD2 is that expired contracts may be traded and then RFA'd, but not traded and then Franchised. I believe that wording comes from a later portion of the constitution.
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Post by Philadelphia Astros (Paul) on Jan 8, 2018 14:18:14 GMT -5
Mind blowing. I had no idea.
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Post by Atlanta Indians (Brent) on Jan 8, 2018 14:33:45 GMT -5
So a free agent, with no contract/salary, can be traded, for the purposes of the acquiring owner being able to give said player a RFA tag AFTER the trade? I've combed the constitution and see nothing stating that.
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Post by Philadelphia Astros (Paul) on Jan 8, 2018 14:40:04 GMT -5
Right. The 2017 contact is expired especially at this point since the 2018 fantasy season has started.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 16:16:13 GMT -5
I feel like for a FA to be traded he should be franchise tagged already. But once you tag him and trade him, do you then get another shot to franchise tag someone?
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Post by St. Louis Orioles (Drew) on Jan 8, 2018 16:35:05 GMT -5
For Franchise players they must be tagged and then traded, but that is your only Franchise tag.
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Post by Chicago Cub Sox (Scott) on Jan 8, 2018 22:26:19 GMT -5
Guys, we've been playing this Diamond Duos concept since 2013 in DD1 and 2014 in DD2. If the constitution needs updating then that's my fault. How we've always done it is:
You cannot trade a free agent player to another owner for the acquiring owner to Franchise Tag. If you want to Franchise Tag a player (I did for Wade Davis in DD4) and then trade the player with a new $15M contract, you can do that.
We've also allowed trading of players who are coming off contracts that could be RFA'd and the acquiring owners have been able to use one of their 2 RFA tags on said player. You cannot trade actual tags but you can trade players who are eligible for a tag. Let's say you don't have 1 or 2 players you want to RFA but someone else does. That's why we've allowed it. Did this not happen in last year's offseason after our first year?
Lastly, if you trade a Franchise Tagged player, you do NOT get another Franchise Tag to use on another player. If you trade the rights to a player that gets RFA tagged by another owner, that does not affect your two RFA tags which you still have to use.
What language has to be changed or added to the rules?
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